grobin wrote :
Mate, I understand you're pissed off here, but this is limite worse than what he's been saying in terms of racism...
For the rest, fair point man. I wasn't even at the party, so I can't comment on who was rude to who when, but I agree with you, this situation was ridiculous. I only feel like maybe you're picking on the wrong guys. Think about it for a minute: who organised two nights in the same place at the same time?! It's the bloody squatters who are a disrespect for what they claim to be standing for. I agree, a squat is a free zone, it shouldn't be rented out for 20€ parties, but who exactly should be preserving the freedom of their space?! And who got fucked over in the end? Both of the orgas, you guys as much as the Chail people!
You're accusing all the chail people of being capitalist and all, but they've never claimed to be anything else! They don't do free party, they pay their artists, they hire club security, they rent out a space for it, and a sound system, etc... They had a massive investment, and a signed contract. I'm not saying that makes them more entitled to the use of the place than you were! it's just that they were trying to put on a club night, not a free party. It was fucking stupid of them to try to do this in the squat, agreed, but they never hid the fact that it was going to be a club night, and not a free party. Again, that's where i'm shocked that squatters would agree to that; they're the ones qui vendent leur cul as we say, not the chail organisers who just thought they'd go for an original place for their night (as you'll see if you read the party promotion for it).
As for peoples' attitudes, I'm with you man. It's ridiculous for solveable problems to turn into insults, violence and disrespect! As you say, it's a pity to see party people playing sarko's game...
But if I were you, I'd be way more pissed off at the squatters who thought they could get baaare money off the chail people for next to no effort, and at the same time not really worry about the "gentille association" who would just leave at 11 cause THEY knew the bouncers would be coming and make you leave. And who do you reckon kept the money collected between 8 and 10:30? I really doubt it was the chail people, i'd speak to the bouncers on that one if I was you...
Anyway, if i learnt one lesson from this, it's to boycot this squat!
nice one.
for the racist point: it's that ignorance that is causing our socitey in terms of racism/integration the most problems. the fact that there are borders between "them" and "us" is -humanwise- seed with that sort of minds.
i can't be sorry to point out ignorant white middle class kids speaking using the words racaille. no pasaran quoi !
on the squat topic:
we are not less pissed off with the squat and i doubt that from our scene will ever anyone ever put a step inside this squat, for reasons i mentioned in the first post. but that's another problem and unlike the chail crew, i try to analyse n all sides, also on our own and that we have done the grave failure not to investigate about the character of the squat. we did check that there are no toilets tho, but the more important things we haven't and that was surely our missing and no one to blame for.
for other stuff that i explained largely, there are no excuses and i got to adress is to the chail people.
it's up to you to believe to a total stranger person, i know i don't have any credits and i don't promise mysefl much from this action of coming on here. quiet humanly, you people are going to defend your fellow trancers, which is the normal thing to happen.
nevertheless, what i lived in this hours with them, is more than what i can support. again on a human level. that they did a commercial party there is one thing i can live with. hard, but that is more the squat to be blamed for.
but how they treated us when they needed our agreement to install the scene in the midday and how they let us treaten by the securities once they were there is a disgrace to the scene, whether ours, yours or any other youth scene that should stand solidarity to each others.
i've been menaced with a arme by their security, he menaced me punches and that i will pay.
not only me from the group either.
they acted like they own the place, totally disregarding our rightful existance at this point and time in the same room.
and mate, a clubnight in a squat is not exisiting. it is simply not, because there will always be people who pretend that it's their space too, the authority doesn't work, apart with imposed violence.
i did ask the security guy: show me something that proofs your authority to tell me what i got to do in here and what not ?
he didn't have a answer.
i kept on asking, as he kept on bugging and stress me.
untill the moment he expressed the truth: because we have arms and you not !
this were people engaged by the chail crew.
how can i be so wrong coming on here expecting some excuses and explainations ?
sure the squat people were wankers. but it was up to our both groups to sort the problem and as far as i am concerned, we have done this, because this is what we do all the time in our poltical life.
it failed, to the disbenefit of everyone, and i would like to have a serious excuse for that
apart that, i give you all a chance to proof that trance people are still relyable and nice people